Equal Time
I have a few Google alerts … you know what those are, right? You enter search terms and you get an e-mail from Google pointing you in the direction of websites and blogs that contain those words/phrases.
I’ve been getting a lot of alerts on the term “childfree” lately, thanks to a video published on momversation on February 11th featuring the MommyBlogger-in-Chief, Dooce. A lot of bloggers, childfree and childed alike, have been discussing this video. Because I have a loose rule that I don’t visit “mommy blogs,” (I read quite a few blogs by people who have children…there’s a difference) I kept putting off visiting momversation to watch the video. I thought I was getting the gist of it by reading other blogs that were discussing the video.
Today, in light of the fact that I couldn’t stand watching MSNBC’s constant coverage of Michael Jackson’s press conference and there I couldn’t find any episodes of Law & Order or House, and it only took me about 20 minutes to do my taxes, I decided to buckle my seatbelt and check it out.
It wasn’t what I expected from what I had read on other websites. First and foremost, I was expecting the video to be an actual conversation amongst several women (who I understood from reading other blogs did NOT include any childfree women… of course not, after all, the video was posted on MOMversation). But it’s not a conversation at all. It’s a video of three women’s monologues about the childfree … a topic about which they haven’t the vaguest understanding.
And they do quite the half-assed job of even pretending to understand. Dooce starts out trying to be very open-minded, but she quickly devolves into blathering about how she made such a sacrifice having a child and how much more she likes herself now, as opposed to who she was before she had a child.
Dooce did not sacrifice anything to have a child. At least she wasn’t sacrificing anything she didn’t want to give up willingly. If you make the conscious choice to have a child, please don’t make yourself sound so altruistic. You had a kid because you wanted to have a kid, which means any sacrifices you made were made willingly and in furtherance of having what you wanted – a child. As for liking herself more now than she did before she had kids? Do you think that might have something to do with the fact that now she’s proudly on medication? Just sayin’.
Rebecca Woolf, one of the other momologuers, apparently read something written by a childfree individual who was upset that there were kids in a coffee shop, because she made this statement:
If you don’t like the fact that I’m in a coffee shop and I have a kid, you know, what can I do?
I’ve read a lot of childfree blogs, forums, websites, etc., and I have a metric ton of childfree friends. Hell, one of my favorite topics to write about is childfreedom, which means I’m pretty sure that I’ve got a better idea of what’s in childfree blogs than three women who, according to MamaDooce, spent one afternoon reading childfree blogs. Good job on researching the topic. (/sarcasm) So, I feel pretty confident when I say that I’ve never read anything written by a childfree person that laments the fact that there are children in public, unless said children are behaving like ill-mannered, tantrum-throwing, undisciplined little assholes and their parents aren’t doing jackshit to alleviate that situation. Most of us don’t go around breathing fire on perfectly well-mannered children. Of course, the way the majority of childfree people behave doesn’t make for good blogfodder or, in this case, videofodder.
They talk about the childfree being angry? This is one of the things that absolutely enrages this childfree person – leaving out the whole story so as to paint the childfree all as child-hating monsters.
To paint all childfree with the same brush – that of childhating, angry nutjobs – is as disingenuous as the childfree painting all mothers as irresponsible breeders who allow their children to fling food in five-star restaurants.
Dana Loesch, married with kids at 21, but thinks she was “childfree by choice” at one point in her life. Excuse me for a second while I chuckle. Most childfree people give the subject matter much more thought than anyone could have possibly given it by the time she reaches the ripe ol’ age of 21. But, yeah, thanks for contributing to the ever-condescending “you’ll change your mind” bingo. And Dana very snottily tells us:
You want to not have kids? Whooooooo! Then don’t have kids. But don’t look down on us because we did.
(Unfortunately, you have to watch the video to get the full effect of the incredible condescension with which the above quote is delivered.)
The vast majority of the childfree do not “look down” on people simply becasue they have children. I’ll buy that for a quarter. Of course, that’s as long as you’re willing to stop telling us that we can’t truly know love if we don’t have a child, how we couldn’t possibly understand something because we don’t have kids, or that you were once childfree yourself before you had kids. No. You weren’t. You simply hadn’t had kids yet. There’s a difference, but you apparently didn’t come across that distinction in your afternoon of research.
And Her Dooceness tells us that she would be much more sympathetic to the childfree’s plight if they weren’t so angry. If you expect us to work every holiday for you so you can spend it with your kids, schedule our vacations around yours so you can take vacations when your kid’s school is on break, sit idly by while we get screwed at every turn, and then tell us that you understand, but you’d be much more sympathetic if we weren’t so angry, well, so as to not mince words or risk being misunderstood, let me just say, fuck that noise. Put simply, we wouldn’t be so exasperated, annoyed, and angry if you’d pull your own weight around the office, as opposed to expecting your childfree co-workers to constantly pick-up your slack. Or maybe you hadn’t noticed that’s what we do because you’re too busy running off to ballet recitals and parent-teacher conferences?
Dana also admonishes us for screaming “discrimination” at the same time we’re actively discriminating against children. I’m not sure what she means by the childfree discriminating against children. Is she referring to the fact that many of us think it’s inappropriate to take a five-year-old to a 10:00 p.m. showing of an R-rated movie? Is she referring to the idea that children should be taught to behave like little human beings in public, as opposed to wild animals and, if they do behave like the latter, the parents should remove them from public? If that’s the case, then there are a hell of a lot of parents who discriminate against children, too, because I know an awful lot of people who would agree with the childfree on these issues. As a matter of fact, my siblings and I were raised by two of them. But, just like with the coffee shop statement, I’ve no idea what this mother is prattling on about, since she leaves out any kind of example or background.
Let me cut to the chase:
This video is a joke. An afternoon of blog-reading isn’t anywhere near the amount of research this topic deserves and the fact that Momversation couldn’t be bothered to include any balance from the childfree exemplifies Momversation’s dismissal of the childfree. I’m neither surprised nor disappointed. It’s par for the course.
And last but not least, this trilogy of soliloquies is incredibly hypocritical. If mother’s don’t want the childfree passing judgment on their choices and their children, then maybe they should lead by example. After all, they are the majority. And, you know, they’re so much more mature than the rest of us.
Oy.












March 5th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Hear, hear, sister.
I’d also like to add that plenty of parents are childhating, angry nutjobs. At least that’s the only reason I can think of for why so many parents abuse and murder their own children.
March 5th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
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March 8th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
I found this post via Feministe, and followed the link because I’m interested (and largely frustrated by) the online antagonism between folks who are comfortable with kids and those who aren’t; those who enjoy spending time with kids and those who don’t; those who have children and those who don’t; those who identify as “childfree” and those who identify as parents/moms/etc. . . . which, as you rightly point out, are often fluid categories! you can be a parent and still hate kids. you can decide you never want children, but still feel comfortable around them.
I myself don’t have kids, and may (very likely) not ever have them. I am not sure I have the resources (financial, emotional, physical, etc.) to be a parent. But I resist the “childfree” language, since it seems so antagonistic toward young people as a population. I realize it is a push-back against the term “childless” which implies being without children is a negative thing. But since you’ve obviously done a lot of thinking about this I’m curious about how you think about the usefulness of the term?
March 8th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
I certainly don’t deny that there are some very strong opinions out there on both sides of the discussion… having kids v. not having kids. And I know there are those childfree folks who absolutely despise children. I’m not one of them. That said, poor parenting that results in out-of-control kids out in public certainly does try my patience. I blame my mother in part for that attitude, as she raised her children to have manners and, if we stepped out of line, she had no qualms about putting us back in the car and taking us home. But I digress.
As for the childless v. childfree debate, I do prefer the term childfree, but only because the term childless has, in my opinion, a connotation of sadness – that it’s something to be pitied. From my vantage point, childless people are those who desire to have children, but can’t or haven’t yet. Childfree has a much happier ring to it.
I understand that some very angry and outspoken childfree folks might be tarnishing the word, but that doesn’t change how I view myself. There are also some feminists with whom I don’t agree with on every point, but I still consider myself a feminist.
March 8th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Thanks for the thoughts Emma. I understand that it’s possible to identify with a term for your own reasons, and not agree with everyone who uses it to self-identify!
March 9th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
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March 9th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Dooce was on medication before becoming pregnant, and only went off so that she could have her kid. So “liking herself better” really doesn’t have to do with that.
I dunno…momversation doesn’t claim to be an even-handed look at any topic that they cover. Its just a “here’s what our bloggers think about X topic” thing. I don’t think its fair to really expect them to do research on this topic (or invite guest bloggers to talk) because that’s not how the thing works. Its not a “research and then invite guests to balance out the conversation and then record” kind of thing. Its just a “lets blab at the camera” kind of thing.
March 9th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
If you want to be taken seriously, then you need to know what the hell you’re talking about, no matter what the topic. Would you give any credence to three Christians spouting off about what it’s like to be a Jew? Or how about three upper class white guys blathering on about how African Americans aren’t really discriminated against so they should just quit their bitching? Or how about three childfree women talking about how easy it is to raise kids, so what’s all the fuss about?
Because, really, that’s how their little rants came across. If you don’t know anything about an issue and can’t even be bothered to do an acceptable amount of research on the topic, perhaps you should pick a different topic to “blab” about, lest you look like an ass. Even if they didn’t want a “guest” involved in their little video, if they really had any interest in the topic, they would have contacted a few childfree people who have a presence on the internet and asked a few questions. It would seem they couldn’t be bothered.
Obviously, people are perfectly free to express their opinions on a topic, no matter how ignorant they may be on the subject at hand. But, if they’re going to do that, they’re going to have to take the lashings they get from those of us who are far more knowledgeable/experienced.
Of course, there’s also the possibility that they knew exactly what they were doing and thought they would be “edgy” and “controversial” for the sake of hits. But, again, then don’t bitch when the other side comes a-callin’.
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